tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060593324936581367.post6090401286519143256..comments2024-03-18T23:51:59.590-04:00Comments on SafeLibraries®: ALA Defends Book Confiscation Worldwide by Communist/Terrorist Regimes? SafeLibraries Asks ALA Councilor James Casey to Clarify Anti-American StandSafeLibraries®http://www.blogger.com/profile/06756725065032196698noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060593324936581367.post-80288496911732554952008-07-13T21:02:00.000-04:002008-07-13T21:02:00.000-04:00Okay, Alan, I'll take a look. From what I've seen...Okay, Alan, I'll take a look. From what I've seen so far, it looks interesting. Note, however, that anything contained therein has nothing to do with Krug making an excuse for an actual 9/11 terrorist and now wanting to guide Americans on the same issue, and with George Soros's help.<BR/><BR/>When I blog again, please continue to participate.SafeLibraries®https://www.blogger.com/profile/06756725065032196698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060593324936581367.post-2179648953255609732008-07-13T18:59:00.000-04:002008-07-13T18:59:00.000-04:00OK! In the meantime, look up The Authoritarians. Y...OK! In the meantime, look up <I>The Authoritarians</I>. You might be able to use it for a blog post. There might even be some left-wing librarian authoritarians. (But not Ms. Krug! She is a 100% pure democracy super-hero!)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060593324936581367.post-1297619068302801902008-07-13T16:28:00.000-04:002008-07-13T16:28:00.000-04:00Sorry, Alan, I've grown tired of this back and for...Sorry, Alan, I've grown tired of this back and forth. Let's wait for another blog posting by me to have a back and forth again.SafeLibraries®https://www.blogger.com/profile/06756725065032196698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060593324936581367.post-24208097846035574162008-07-13T12:28:00.000-04:002008-07-13T12:28:00.000-04:00This is not an "Ad hominem argument". It is an exa...This is not an "Ad hominem argument". It is an example of a satirical literary form called "the modest proposal". It was pioneered by a fellow named Johnathan Swift. My modest proposal is, of course, far more modest than Swift's - I can not claim to be anywhere near his equal.<BR/><BR/>Use of satire in argumentation is an informal form of "reductio ad absurdum" based on the rhetorical principle best explained by HLM:<BR/><BR/>“One horse-laugh is worth ten thousand syllogisms. It is not only more effective; it is also vastly more intelligent.”<BR/><BR/>In order to explore the outlook that you project on your web site and blog, I would ask you to take a look at this book and let me know what you think: The Authoritarians, by Bob Altemeyer.<BR/><BR/>The book may be read or downloaded at: http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/<BR/><BR/>Looking forward to learning what your thoughtful opinion of it is!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060593324936581367.post-90991216174156525662008-07-13T00:41:00.000-04:002008-07-13T00:41:00.000-04:00Alan has again done a successful job of again turn...Alan has again done a successful job of again turning the argument to one against me personally. <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem" REL="nofollow"><I>Ad hominem</I> argument</A> is "always invalid."<BR/><BR/>Will someone please address the issues raised without engaging in personal attack?SafeLibraries®https://www.blogger.com/profile/06756725065032196698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060593324936581367.post-64314115463400243062008-07-12T23:42:00.000-04:002008-07-12T23:42:00.000-04:00RE: The detection of terrorists would have a "chil...RE: The detection of terrorists would have a "chilling effect"? Alan, are you for real?<BR/><BR/>Maybe we should give the librarians machine guns! Not only could they DETECT the hundreds of thousands of terrorists who visit American libraries every day, they could DISPATCH 'em at the same time!<BR/><BR/>Of course, some "egg head" from the ACLU would claim that machine gun fire and dead terrorists would have a "chilling effect" on library patrons. Ha! What do these effete intellectials know! <BR/><BR/>An armed librarian makes for a SAFE library!!!<BR/><BR/>(Ain't me that needs the reality check brother)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060593324936581367.post-21789981290175000662008-07-12T23:35:00.000-04:002008-07-12T23:35:00.000-04:00Looking into the "9/11 Terrorist Incident" further...Looking into the "9/11 Terrorist Incident" further the only law relevent Florida law that I can find is this:<BR/><BR/>Confidentiality of Registration and Circulation Records – Florida Statutes Section 257.261:<BR/><BR/>"All registration and circulation records of every public library, except statistical reports of registration and circulation, are confidential and exempt from the provisions of s. 119.07(1) and from s. 24(a) of Art. I of the State Constitution. Except in accordance with proper judicial order, a person may not make known in any manner any information contained in such records, except as provided in this section. As used in this section, the term "registration records" includes any information that a library requires a patron to provide in order to become eligible to borrow books and other materials, and the term "circulation records" includes all information that identifies the patrons who borrow particular books and other materials. This section does not prohibit any library, or any business operating jointly with the library, from disclosing information to municipal or county law enforcement officials, or to judicial officials, for the purpose of recovering overdue books, documents, films, or other items or materials owned or otherwise belonging to the library. In the case of a public library patron under the age of 16, a public library may only release confidential information relating to the parent or guardian of the person under 16. Any person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083." <BR/><BR/>The news article about the Florida librarian stated that she recognized the terrorist as a former patron and informed law enforcement officials. This obviously is not a violation of the above law. <BR/><BR/>Maybe you had some other law in mind? What is it?<BR/><BR/>The above law is obviously no protection to terrorists or any other criminal and provides the minimal privacy protection any American would expect deserve. <BR/><BR/>Or maybe I should say any REAL American.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060593324936581367.post-21658323957017160262008-07-12T22:34:00.000-04:002008-07-12T22:34:00.000-04:00Well, Alan, at least some of your argument address...Well, Alan, at least some of your argument addresses the issues.<BR/><BR/>Krug says, "I would have felt better if she had followed the Florida law," and you say, "Big deal"? "So what"? Alan, this is not your average library user she is talking about. She is talking about one of the nineteen terrorists who on 9/11 killed thousands of people. And she would have felt better if this terrorist's privacy rights had been respected? And you say big deal? She's going to lead a "new grassroots initiative to rally Americans around a set of information privacy standards"? Alan, take off your ALA hat and put on your common sense hat.<BR/><BR/>Alan, what does terrorism have to do with "the laws in 48 states protecting the privacy of library patrons, ... the free exchange of ideas and information, ... [the] ability to entertain and enjoy ourselves freely"?<BR/><BR/>Then you say, "The notion that libraries and librarians have any significant role to play in the 'global war against terrorism' is quite a stretch." Excuse me? The ALA is not at the forefront with the ACLU of the effort to reverse the USA PATRIOT Act, FISA, etc.?<BR/><BR/>The detection of terrorists would have a "chilling effect"? Alan, are you for real? If terrorists succeed, would there be any more American libraries or even an American Library Association?<BR/><BR/>The Washington Post article you cited does not change the above. And pointing out national media proving that the ALA favors terrorist privacy rights over national security, to which you say "so what" and "big deal," is not "fear mongering." And neither is my suggestion that such an organization cannot be trusted to guide Americans on library privacy issues.SafeLibraries®https://www.blogger.com/profile/06756725065032196698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060593324936581367.post-71540919363048053332008-07-12T21:51:00.000-04:002008-07-12T21:51:00.000-04:00"I would have felt better if she had followed the ..."I would have felt better if she had followed the Florida law." But Ms. Krug added, "I suspect most people faced with the same situation would have done what she did."<BR/><BR/>Big deal. So what.<BR/><BR/>As far as the laws in 48 states protecting the privacy of library patrons, they are very necessary to the free exchange of ideas and information, as well as to our ability to entertain and enjoy ourselves freely.<BR/><BR/>The notion that libraries and librarians have any significant role to play in the "global war against terrorism" is quite a stretch. Librarians are not military or law enforcement officers and should not be forced into such a role. The "chilling effect" for the mission of our public libraries is quite obvious.<BR/><BR/>You might want to read Glenn L. Carle's column <I>Overstating Our Fears</I> in Sunday's Washington Post.<BR/><BR/>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/11/AR2008071102710.html<BR/><BR/>The writer is a 23 year veteran of the CIA's Clandestine service and retired recently from the post of national intelligence officer for transnational threats.<BR/><BR/>Then you might want to put your fear mongering on hold.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060593324936581367.post-33170179475373010312008-07-12T18:59:00.000-04:002008-07-12T18:59:00.000-04:00Alan,Read the NYT article I cited there where the ...Alan,<BR/><BR/>Read the NYT article I cited there where the <I>de facto</I> head of the ALA said a librarian should not have called the police on a 9/11 terrorist because he had rights under Florida's library privacy laws.<BR/><BR/>Can you imagine library privacy rights taking precedence over national security and the deaths of thousands of people?<BR/><BR/>I don't make this stuff up.SafeLibraries®https://www.blogger.com/profile/06756725065032196698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060593324936581367.post-11499892949009678462008-07-12T18:17:00.000-04:002008-07-12T18:17:00.000-04:00RE: OIF Seeking Opinions...I went to the link, and...RE: OIF Seeking Opinions...<BR/><BR/>I went to the link, and what scary anti-American plot did I find? A survey on privacy, and a comment about... terrorism?<BR/><BR/>Privacy for American library patrons is essentially privacy for terrorists? What a bunch of bunk! <BR/><BR/>This makes as much sence as Huckabee responding to the Bhutto assassination in Pakistan by asking how many Pakistanians are sneaking into America from Mexico.<BR/><BR/>What a load of fear-mongering BS.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060593324936581367.post-73331083070030206792008-07-12T17:34:00.000-04:002008-07-12T17:34:00.000-04:00Alan,I really do appreciate your commenting here. ...Alan,<BR/><BR/>I really do appreciate your commenting here. But making <I>me</I> the issue is getting tiresome. I have every right to ask the questions I am asking in the various blogs, and you have every right to consistently turn attention away from the ALA and onto me. But that is not very interesting. <BR/><BR/>I am not interested in "authoritarian control." I am interested, however, in getting people to think for themselves so they can identify when they themselves are being controlled by the ALA through the use of propaganda, etc.<BR/><BR/>Here, for example, is yet another incipient ALA propaganda campaign designed to fool the public into helping the ALA obtain rights for terrorists, in this case with $350,000 of help from George Soros: "<A HREF="http://plablog.org/2008/07/oif-seeking-opinions-on-information-privacy-via-anonymous-survey.html" REL="nofollow">OIF Seeking Opinions on Information Privacy via Anonymous Survey</A>." And see my comment there if the ALA has not censored it out yet.<BR/><BR/>As to why this issue is relevant to SafeLibraries, in my efforts to educate the public about the ALA's agenda regarding children, it helps to show the true political face of the ALA -- defamers of our troops, protectors of terrorist rights, hypocrites on issues like intellectual freedom, attackers of our very American government, like James Casey's attack as reprinted in this blog. That is why I asked him to clarify what he said. Likely, it is also why you are trying to make me the issue instead of the ALA.<BR/><BR/>I think it is relevant to people deciding whether to follow the ALA's guidance vis-a-vis children if they knew the true nature of the very people who are also advising how librarians should allow children access to any material whatsoever without any concern for the sexual inappropriateness of that material being made available for easy access to children.<BR/><BR/>I know you know this. I know you are only making the arguments you are to distract people from the issues. I know others know you are doing this. The tactic is used so often that people are starting to see through it.<BR/><BR/>Alan, I can tell you are very intelligent. I urgently wish your comments be directed to the issues raised, not to the people like me raising the issues. I won't censor your comments like ALA members censor mine. So let's have an honest conversation on the issues. <BR/><BR/>Please reread my original post and address the issues contained therein.<BR/><BR/>Thank you.SafeLibraries®https://www.blogger.com/profile/06756725065032196698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060593324936581367.post-84644737224379688342008-07-12T11:19:00.000-04:002008-07-12T11:19:00.000-04:00As far as I can tell, the "issues raised" in this ...As far as I can tell, the "issues raised" in this and recent posts have nothing to do with "safe" libraries or with American libraries or ALA policy. It seems like you are in some sort of feud with one particular member of the ALA whoes personal political view point you disagree with.<BR/><BR/>Personally I think this whole "safe" libraries issue is a demogogic tactic being used to introduce mechanisms for authoritarian control over what views will be allowed into our public libraries.<BR/><BR/>I'm glad our librarians are "traineed democracy super heroes" and put up resistance to these attempts at thought control.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060593324936581367.post-30207375957232997682008-07-12T11:05:00.000-04:002008-07-12T11:05:00.000-04:00Okay, Alan. But that does not address the issues ...Okay, Alan. But that does not address the issues raised. As the title says, "SafeLibraries Asks ALA Councilor James Casey to Clarify Anti-American Stand." I await that clarification.SafeLibraries®https://www.blogger.com/profile/06756725065032196698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060593324936581367.post-82104049762234120952008-07-12T11:00:00.000-04:002008-07-12T11:00:00.000-04:00I don't know what cuba has to do with "safe" libra...I don't know what cuba has to do with "safe" libraries, but American librarians have been and are in the fore-front of protecting and advancing Americian's first amendment rights.<BR/><BR/>Responding to a recent incident, ACLU PA writes: "Fortunately, these folks weren't dealing with just anybody. They were dealing with a LIBRARIAN. As Rachel Maddow said on Countdown, those people are 'trained democracy super heroes.'"<BR/><BR/>And you folks are pretty much regresive authoritarians.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com