tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060593324936581367.post5935586747925093782..comments2024-03-28T04:49:07.788-04:00Comments on SafeLibraries®: LISNews Disses Judith Krug UnwittinglySafeLibraries®http://www.blogger.com/profile/06756725065032196698noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060593324936581367.post-17388325501845139002009-04-26T11:53:00.000-04:002009-04-26T11:53:00.000-04:00For anyone interested, this is what Gail Weymouth,...For anyone interested, this is what Gail Weymouth, who was so mistaken above, said about Judith Krug: <br /><br />"<A HREF="http://www.vermontlibraries.org/judith-krug-librarian-hero-mentor-friend" REL="nofollow">Judith Krug - Librarian, Hero, Mentor, Friend</A>, by <B>Gail Weymouth</B>, <I>Vermont Library Association</I>, 22 April 2009.SafeLibraries®https://www.blogger.com/profile/06756725065032196698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060593324936581367.post-47685917085670598622009-04-25T11:18:00.000-04:002009-04-25T11:18:00.000-04:00Well, Chris O., I do try to thank everyone for com...Well, Chris O., I do try to thank everyone for commenting here, except for spam messages like those with tons of links. I remove those.<br /><br />And thank you for commenting, Chris O.<br /><br />Yes, it may have been a funny juxtaposition, but I like better another comment I wrote today in <A HREF="http://safelibraries.blogspot.com/2009/04/teacher-bullies-student-publicly-to.html?showComment=1240663800000#c6467350972083470776" REL="nofollow">response to a blogger named "Angie"</A>:<br /><br />Angie, Angie, when will those clouds all disappear?<br /><br />You make conclusions based on scattered facts. You say (in the post you removed for obvious reasons with which I agree), "I find the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle," yet you assume the mother is wrong and the school is right.<br /><br />Let me whisper in your ear:<br />Angie, Angie, where will it lead us from here?<br />I hate that sadness in your eyes.<br />But Angie, Angie, ain't it time we said good-bye?SafeLibraries®https://www.blogger.com/profile/06756725065032196698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060593324936581367.post-82799982459880002042009-04-25T11:07:00.000-04:002009-04-25T11:07:00.000-04:00Thank you for your comments. They were ad hominem ...<I>Thank you for your comments. They were ad hominem in nature and you failed to address any issue substantively.</I>That has to be the funniest juxtaposition of sentences ever in the history of library blogging.Chris O.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060593324936581367.post-74738520008622687442009-04-24T01:49:00.000-04:002009-04-24T01:49:00.000-04:00Gail Weymouth,
Thank you for your comments. They...Gail Weymouth,<br /><br />Thank you for your comments. They were <I>ad hominem</I> in nature and you failed to address any issue substantively.<br /><br />But let me be clear I have not disrespected Judith Krug in the slightest. I have pointed out factual information, and you thanked me for providing the links to such information. Are people not supposed make factual observations anymore? Did I say anything that was not backed up? Did Jessamyn West and Mr. Kellat not say what they said? Are the school children in Howell, MI, not still reading bestiality books? Etc.<br /><br />You go on about "the length of time you would deem appropriate before you launched your parting shot." "Nine days after the first press release, eight days after we buried her, you decided the time was right to get back to work."<br /><br />Well I was aware of Judy's passing before any stories about her passing were available anywhere, courtesy of <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AJudith_Krug&diff=283211941&oldid=276667945" REL="nofollow">Wikipedia</A> (17:51, 11 April 2009). I finally commented about her two days later, not nine days later as you claim, on Jessamyn West's excellent Librarian.net blog where I said, April 13th, 2009 at 11:19, "<A HREF="http://www.librarian.net/stax/2776/judith-krug-1940-2009-champion-of-intellectual-freedom/" REL="nofollow">For what she did, she was the best. The new leader of the ALA's Office for Intellectual Freedom will not even come close</A>." (Hopefully, Jessamyn will not now delete the comment.)<br /><br />Now does that sound bad or disrespectful?<br /><br />Then on April 19th, along came the LISTen podcast. It praised Judith Krug while at the same time defining censorship as it truly is, not as the ALA/Judith Krug uses it to help push inappropriate material on children. I saw that odd juxtaposition at that time and I wrote about it. It necessarily involved Krug and it was not the first time I wrote about her after her death. I will continue to write about Krug again and again as more victims continue to pile up, like <A HREF="http://safelibraries.blogspot.com/2009/04/teacher-bullies-student-publicly-to.html" REL="nofollow">the one I was speaking with today</A>.<br /><br />Your comments are false and will not be effective in getting people not to focus on Krug's contributions to the ALA's turn from protecting children toward the current "anything goes" policy.<br /><br />If anything dissed Judith Krug, it was her "biggest disappointment in life," the US Supreme Court in US v. ALA:<br /><br />"The interest in protecting young library users from material inappropriate for minors is legitimate, and even compelling, as all Members of the Court appear to agree."SafeLibraries®https://www.blogger.com/profile/06756725065032196698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060593324936581367.post-48138802151366954622009-04-24T00:58:00.000-04:002009-04-24T00:58:00.000-04:00Thank you so much for providing the links as refer...Thank you so much for providing the links as reference for to your conclusions. I followed those links and listened several times. <br /><br />Stephen Michael Kallat states the views expressed are his and do not reflect the opinions of LISNews. ...And.. “listener discretion is encouraged.”<br /><br />You exercised your discretion- defined as: the right to decide or act according to one's own judgment. You listened to a broadcast and heard what you wanted to hear, and then perpetuated the fabrication,and crafted a headline worthy of your blog to attract attention.<br /><br />You revel in the attention it garnered– Discretion once again is the key word – but an alternate definition : prudence or decorum. Your lack of discretion is what has garnered attention. Those familiar with your organization only debated the length of time you would deem appropriate before you launched your parting shot, Plainly and to the point, your humanity and common decency was what we debated. Nine days after the first press release, eight days after we buried her, you decided the time was right to get back to work. You misjudged,badly.<br />You, DAn Kleinman, not LIS dissed Judith Krug, but you did so WITTINGLY. <br /><br />No doubt, you are saddened by Judith's death; your target has died. She spoke with hundreds and hundreds of people who disagreed with her.Judith expended her energy wisely.<br />For the past several years, her illness left her with less and less energy. I am grateful she chose to spend it with her family, friends, and colleagues. <br /><br />Alas, you will need to find a new target. Given the worldwide media attention understanding the significance of her death, the contributions she made to our country, her professional and personal achievement it is safe to say there are many thousands for your choosing. <br /><br /><br />Gail Weymouth<br />Sherburne Memorial Library<br />Killington, VT 05751Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12487630920224553280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060593324936581367.post-62331416277726317412009-04-23T11:17:00.000-04:002009-04-23T11:17:00.000-04:00Judith Krug stood up courageously for South Africa...Judith Krug stood up courageously for South Africans’ right to information at the 1987 ALA annual conference, when she opposed an ALA resolution that intended to oppose apartheid by promoting censorship by American communications companies, depriving South African students of apartheid-free American texts, children’s books, and even medical data on microfilm that could save black lives as well as white lives. This resolution also advocated limiting American libraries’ access to essential resources when a municipal or county purchasing contract includes books and other such materials from publishers and agencies that did not agree to halt shipments of books to South Africa. The ALA policy forbade such firms from selling or lending their books, journals, and microfilm to public schools and libraries in the USA. Incredibly, the ALA resolution called upon libraries to censor themselves. Nat Hentoff quoted Judith Krug as saying, “How can anyone involved with libraries stand up and go on record and say, ‘We are going to solve problems by withholding information?’”<br /><br />Unfortunately, when it came to Cuba’s April 2003 court orders to burn entire private library collections, Dr. Krug refused persistent requests to post this news on her “Book Burning in the 21st Century” web site. Six incidents of destruction of Harry Potter books were listed, along with book burning in India, Indonesia, Sri Lanka, Canada, Vietnam and the Republic of Georgia, but not one mention has ever been posted about Cuba’s “withholding information” by incinerating such titles at the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and a biography of the American civil rights hero and Nobel Peace Prize recipient Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Instead, Dr. Krug expressed at the Intellectual Freedom Committee meeting of 22 January 2007 her desire to “drown” issue of the Cuban book burning resulting from confiscations of entire collections – an issue raised perennially by the small group of American librarians who actually take seriously the ALA policy “To promote and support human rights and intellectual freedom worldwide.” Drowning would indeed extinguish the flames of burning pages, but it betrays Cubans who have appealed directly to the ALA for solidarity in exercising their freedom to read.Steve Marquardthttp://groups.google.com/group/Cuba451Lettersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060593324936581367.post-67543452896240623662009-04-23T00:47:00.000-04:002009-04-23T00:47:00.000-04:00I must respectfully disagree with most of what is ...I must respectfully disagree with most of what is written here. I'll take my free society built for adults. Call filters, and labelling, and censorship, and "age-appropriate content" whatever you like, but don't call it freedom.<br /><br />And I will somewhat irreverently say that as soon as you're done hosting storytime, come on down to the strip club for a drink.Bruce Sullivannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060593324936581367.post-15595153233891639612009-04-22T22:42:00.000-04:002009-04-22T22:42:00.000-04:00Thank you, mdoneil.
Apparently, I hit a nerve wit...Thank you, mdoneil.<br /><br />Apparently, I hit a nerve with this blog post. In addition to the Anonymous comment above and your own about "some politically correct Chicken-Little catastrophe," I have garnered other attention:<br /><br />1) "Dan - great article!"<br /><br />2) "Must read tour de force. This is a terrific post. Note especially the true definition of 'censorship.'"<br /><br />3) "Too funny... I think I dislocated my shoulder after falling out of my chair! Great job."<br /><br />4) "<A HREF="http://www.lisnews.org/lisnews_podcast_disses_judith_krug_unwittingly" REL="nofollow">LISNews Podcast Disses Judith Krug Unwittingly</A>" April 22, 2009 - 1:05am — SafeLibraries<br /><br />Even the ALA got into act:<br /><br />5) SUBJECT: [alacoun] those who don't like intellectual freedom<br /><br />On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:55 PM, <carrieif@aol.com> wrote:<br /><br /> Greetings,<br /><br /> A link to the website of a group who do not agree with intellectual freedom or Judith Krug. <br /><br /> http://safelibraries.blogspot.com/2009/04/lisnews-disses-judith-krug-unwittingly.html<br /><br /> Carrie Gardner<br /> At large <br /><br />Let me ask some questions. What did Carrie Gardner read that could have possibly been interpreted as my disagreement with intellectual freedom? Does the US Supreme Court, Jessamyn West, Stephen Michael Kellat also disagree with intellectual freedom? Does opposing Judith Krug's apparent racism and false definition of censorship, etc., equate to disagreeing with intellectual freedom?SafeLibraries®https://www.blogger.com/profile/06756725065032196698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060593324936581367.post-53991825020737530902009-04-22T14:21:00.000-04:002009-04-22T14:21:00.000-04:00You could find out who Safe Libraries is if you wo...You could find out who Safe Libraries is if you would simply look. <br /><br />I agree completely with this post and am encoraged that the real definition of censorship and not some politically correct Chicken-Little catastrophe is being discussed. <br /><br />Matt O'Neil MLSmdoneilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060593324936581367.post-91668288295671677472009-04-22T13:23:00.000-04:002009-04-22T13:23:00.000-04:00Who is "us"? What exactly do you "oppose" about n...Who is "us"? What exactly do you "oppose" about not misleading people?SafeLibraries®https://www.blogger.com/profile/06756725065032196698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060593324936581367.post-62109263357933761452009-04-22T10:22:00.000-04:002009-04-22T10:22:00.000-04:00Dan thank you for keeping us aware of the other si...Dan thank you for keeping us aware of the other side. To truly be well versed on your position you must always know what your opposition believes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com