JUNE 18, 2025 · 1 HR 2 MIN
Unmasking Marxism in Our Public Libraries
Our Country Our Choice
SUMMARY:
On this episode of Our Country Our Voice, Dan Kleinman discuss the alarming infiltration of Marxist ideology in the American education system, particularly through public libraries. Dan shares his personal experience that led him to investigate the inappropriate content in children's books and the role of the American Library Association (ALA) in promoting such materials. He highlights the funding mechanisms of the ALA, the legal tactics used to silence dissent, and the need for grassroots movements to reclaim control over educational content. The discussion highlights the ideological justifications used by proponents of this agenda and emphasizes the importance of community action in combating these influences. In this conversation, Sam and Dan of SafeLibraries discuss the alarming rise of radical ideologies infiltrating libraries and educational institutions. They explore how these ideologies are being pushed through policies from organizations like the American Library Association, leading to the indoctrination of children. The discussion emphasizes the need for community resistance, parental involvement, and grassroots activism to reclaim libraries and protect children from inappropriate content. They also address the historical context of Marxism in society and the importance of empowering parents to challenge these ideologies.
TRANSCRIPT:
Welcome to Our Country Our Voice. One of the greatest threats to our nation, which I believe is the greatest threat to our nation, is the proliferation of Marxism, both in our education system and throughout our institutions, those being the federal government or the military, which I've talked about extensively. You've heard me bring this up in the past. But we need to talk about how this takes hold at the grassroots level. And somebody has been doing a lot of research and pushing back on this over the last however many years, specifically in the public library system. I'm going to bring on a man named Dan Kleinman who has been investigating and exposing the proliferation of Marxist propaganda in our children's books in the public library system. So Dan, welcome to the show.
Thank you very much, Sam.
Tell me about yourself and tell me how you got started doing this.
Well, you know, I'm just like every other father, frankly. And I got started doing this because I sent my kid to a public school. And on the fourth day of kindergarten, she brought a book home for me to read to her. "Hey, daddy, would you read this to me?" And I was like, this is it. I've reached the top. I have a beautiful wife, a house in the country, and I got to read a public school book to my kid. You know, that's it. That's the American dream.
Sure, yeah.
And I began to read the book to her. And it was completely inappropriate. I mean, like, she went on a date, skinny dipping with three guys at the same time. Ooh la la, she said in a lusty voice. So,
Wow.
You know, it's a kindergarten, she's not going to pick it up. I changed the words around anyway to get away from those kinds of things. But I brought it in to the principal and I said, hey, what's going on here? And she took four days to review it. She said, this book is twice as bad as what you reported to me as. And so I'm going to remove it from the school. And I'm like, okay, well, why did you give it to my kid? Well, one, our librarian is a member of the American Library Association. And she was using a list of approved books from the American Library Association for kindergartners. And two...
A list of approved books? This was on an approved list?
The ALA puts out lists.
Wow.
And number two, it had to do with multiculturalism because it was about Puerto Ricans, which I could care less about, but the American Library Association does, because that's part of the issue. So right then, that's when I went to my public library that, on the same day, and I found that there was a website called Fun Sites for Kids and Teens. What was on Fun Sites for Kids and Teens? Was Go Ask Alice from Columbia University, where you could learn, for example, this is going to be fun for kids, how to hang yourself to have a better orgasm.
What?
This is how David Carradine, the actor, died from, you know, Grasshopper from
Right
Kung Fu. And also, I found a library director who admitted to me that somebody died in this, a 15-year-old boy died this very way, the day after coming to the library and seeing that very website, because the ALA recommended it. It's written on my, she's written to me and I've published this. So these are serious problems.
I can't even wrap my head around what you just said. The ALA approved a book on teaching kids how to hang themselves for the purpose of achieving their goals.
No, that wasn't a book. That was a website.
A website. Okay. Okay. Even still, this was on their approved list of stuff to go to and check out.
Right.
Wow. Wow.
By the way, they have an approved list and Common Sense Media was on that list because it's a great site for looking at book reviews. But one of the book reviews was about the inappropriateness of s[.]xuality in the books. And then when the American Library Association, when a certain group, I forget which one, within ALA learned that, they had the Common Sense Media website removed from that list. So Columbia's Go Ask Alice is on it. Common Sense Media was off it because Common Sense Media provided parents with information about the potential for s[.]xual inappropriateness in books. That got removed. This is the kind of organization we're dealing with. They're not providing you with information. They're providing you with what they want you to know.
This is very subversive. What you're describing is we will continue to do this until we get caught, and then we will change tactics. And they're doing this over and over. They know what this stuff is. They know what they're pushing. And they are just, they are continuing it until they get caught, and it reaches a level of public knowledge that they have to deal with it.
And they are librarians at the American Library Association. It's been around for a hundred years or something like that. And people have a high regard for librarians and think they're like pink fluffy bunnies who had never hurt a fly. When in reality, about 60 years ago, they changed their mission. No longer would they protect children from inappropriate material. Now they would push it on it, mislead the parents as to it, and ensure kids get as much of this is possible. This is the very reason why you and I are talking today right now. It's because of all this stuff going on in school libraries.
Talk about that. What happened 60 years ago? What took place?
60 years ago the American Library Association decided to change the Library Bill of Rights, which sounds great, and gave people the rights to– you know, actually ALA used to be a racist organization. They'd keep blacks out of libraries and wouldn't let them borrow books and all sorts of things. And eventually, they wrote a Library Bill of Rights to make sure people had access to libraries.
Right.
But in the 60s, thanks to the input of a guy named– 60s radical named Edgar Friedenberg, they decided to add the word "age" to the Library Bill of Rights. So, suddenly, it was age discrimination to keep children from seeing anything whatsoever. And now, public libraries have this Library Bill of Rights with the word "age" in there and this is why inappropriate material is being given to children despite laws against obscenity like in New Jersey or Supreme Court cases like Board of Education v. Pico because the librarians basically bully their way into these positions and say, hey, we know what we're doing and everybody assumes that they do and lets them get away with this stuff and this is why we're having this conversation because kids are getting inappropriate stuff because the American Library Association 60 years ago added the word "age" in there because of their new age views of things.
Yeah, wow.
They're not our friends anymore. They're now working to keep us in the dark, us parents in the dark, and to go after the children. And it's in many different forms, which I hopefully will get into in this discussion.
Yeah, absolutely. Who's funding the ALA? I know the answer. I've got another answer, but I'm just going to ask you. Who's funding the ALA?
I believe most– a lot of the funds at least comes from dues and from conferences that you attend which you think that they'd be all about free speech and no censorship, but it's like $500 to attend a conference. Unless you're a member, then it's like $400 and they sell some books. But they also get– for certain projects, they will get big donations like Jay Z and Robert Kraft of the Patriot Eagles– Patriot– New England Patriots gave a million dollars to the American Library Association with the express purpose of helping to sue– to file lawsuits for school librarians, to file lawsuits against parents, to silence the ones who are speaking out like I am and indeed I'm being sued, but there are others like me and it just keeps proliferating because they keep getting away with it. So they get money from that too.
What are you being sued for?
I'm being sued for defamation. The American Library Association at a meeting that the American Library Association warned people I might show up at, so let them know because then they'll change the language, yhey trained librarians on how to file suits against parents who complain for defamation because it runs them up of a lot of time and a lot of money. There's nothing there. There's no there there, but it just shuts people up. This is literally lawfare, SLAPP suits, and I got that from a FOIA response from some other people who had a battle with a library in Illinois, home of the American Library Association, where people are taking notes and the notes say we got to file defamation suits against parents that will run them up to $500,000 in costs. This is a plan. This is part of a plan of there's a many points that go into this pushing of this agenda. And that, that's one of them is filing lawsuits against parents and other groups.
How do you how do you combat this? I mean, when they're when they're funded the way they are, how do you as a concerned parent, is there any avenue, any recourse to fight back against this lawfare?
Um, the answer is no. And actually, that's what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to get this to the, you know, while this organization, the ALA, has huge funding to sue parents, parents don't have any wherewithal to fight back except from out of their own pockets. I would like to get large funding from Elon Musk or Mike Bloomberg or somebody like that to pay lawyers directly, not us. I'm not looking for a Lexis
Sure.
or a Tesla. I just want it to go to the lawyers so that we can defend ourselves against these SLAPP suits and maybe do more. If we had the right amount of money maybe we can bring like a RICO charge against American Library Association for all these cases going on across the United States where they don't have a lot of control, but they get local people to become their little people to bring these lawsuits. So effectively, they can sue anywhere in the United States, and all standing rules are set aside for the American Library Association.
Um, I am... I wanted to talk to you today, but I wasn't planning on hearing all of this, and I'm in shock.
I could go on.
It takes a bit to shock me these days with what I've experienced, but I'm truly in shock with what I'm hearing. Who is empowering? Beyond the money, how is the ALA getting the access to make the changes and do the things they're doing? How have they established this kind of footprint to have this kind of power?
Well, they have established, like, underground connection things. How do I put this? They have funded and created local groups in hundreds of communities nationwide. They provide the means that librarians can communicate with each other so that parents don't know. And specifically, even if they file open government requests for information, the American Library Association guides librarians on how to prevent people from getting information under those FOIA Acts, Freedom of Information Act things, by using things like Signal to communicate with each other, and it won't become public, supposedly. It's become so prevalent that librarians are even writing this into their books that they're providing to people that are and to provide, to tell them on how to combat people like me, frankly. So one of the things you do is you communicate with each other. So for example, there was some legislation in Louisiana that in part started because of me and what I disclosed about the librarians down there. And the legislation got 44,000 emails opposing this particular legislation. Well, where did that come from? It came from the American Library Association platforms, community organizing platforms that you can sign up for if you're in the local community. They'll send you some money to get you like initially started. They'll set you up with a fundraising site. They'll set you up with a site to send emails to senators and representatives and so on and so forth. And so little people like us are crushed by this giant machine that can send out 44,000 emails to bully or pressure legislators into passing this or that law. That's another thing the lawyers, the librarians are doing, getting laws passed that make it harder for parents to, well, actually makes them lose their rights, lose their First Amendment.
How do people, how do they actually get this funding? So you're talking about the ALA provides funding so people can have their sites built or whatever in building. Is there some kind of litmus test that they have to pass first so that they can prove that they're ideologically on their side or what is that? What is the process for this? What does this look like?
You contact the Office for Intellectual Freedom, which is a subdivision of the ALA, or there's another subgroup called EveryLibrary. They, EveryLibrary, set itself up to look like it's separate, but it's actually the same people doing the same thing. So you just contact them, and they have bragged about how they can set this thing up within hours and get you going.
And how do the...
I have published the transcripts of these, the leader of Every Library Association, of EveryLibrary, and the president then, Emily Drabinski of ALA, providing a talk to the members about how they can stand this stuff up real fast and start helping people immediately. And they're doing it in hundreds of places.
How, how are they interconnecting these, these platforms? How are they talking where they're able to establish such a large response? 44,000 emails is no joke. That is an enormous volume of communication. So how are they actually, how is this banding together? I'm not understanding the logistics behind this.
Well, not only is it, not only is it like secret messages, but you can actually watch it on Twitter, and now they're not on Twitter, or X, they're now on, on BlueSky.
Of course, of course.
And you can, you can not only write to themselves, but they write to their partner groups like the AFT, their partners with the AFT, the American Federation of Teachers, and the ACLU, and so on and so forth. So I have been to a number of meetings where parents show up, and they are completely outdone by hundreds of people that are showing up with the same professionally done signs, Free People Read Freely, which is a registered trademark of American Library Association. So there's hundreds of people showing up that got out there because out in the open and public online, they're crowdfunding and crowdsourcing, and the crowds come out. One meeting was so bad, for example, in Glen Ridge, New Jersey, that the parents who filed the complaint didn't even show up to the meeting because they were so intimidated. And I was the only person who spoke in favor of those parents, and I was then attacked by the ACLU of New Jersey as why would I ever speak up in favor of these parents? I mean, it's just crazy what goes on. Hundreds of people show up, and very few parents from the actual schools or public libraries are there, and they just get bullied out of existence. There's nothing that parents have in the opposite direction.
What is, I always ask why, and obviously I understand the purpose of Marxist ideology and propaganda. But for the average person who isn't trying to overthrow the United States through subversive ideology, what is the mechanism that they're using to, I guess, justify themselves? To say that what they're doing by teaching kids about this filth is the moral right. What is this?
Well, I would say, remember, it's not filth that they're teaching. They are s[.]xualizing the kids, but they're not s[.]xualizing them to s[.]xualize them. They're s[.]xualizing them because that is one way to inculcate a kind of like a Marxism and a hate for your country, your God and your family. That's like an angle to where the ultimate goal is. And it seems like it's Marxism. Now, when I say that, everybody's eyes go, Marxism. Okay. We have the American Library Association president, Emily Drabinski, who said when she became president, she said, "I am so proud that a Marxist lesbian became president of the American Library Association."
Wow. I saw that. Yeah.
"And I can't wait to wield power for what we want. I love you, mom." Okay, that's the kind of thing she does. Then she went to a socialism conference. This was uncovered by Karlyn Borysenko. And she says at the Socialism Conference in Chicago, she says, we need your help. And she's talking to real people, like really in jail for the things that they used to do in the 70s. She says, we need your help to turn libraries into sites for socialism training. That's what it is. It's not, it's not sites for s[.]xualization training. They're really after the political goal of getting children while they're young and making them into, indoctrinating them into their little view of things. The next president, she was Marxist, the next president is Marxist, the next president after her is not only Marxist but "non-binary." So the present elect of ALA right now is a "non-binary" Marxist.
Wow.
So you can guarantee that children are going to be getting this stuff, whether you want them to have it or not.
No, you know, I understand why they're doing it. I understand why the leaders of this are doing it. And I fully understand their modus operandi, if you will.
Ya.
But how are they convincing the PTA mom who thinks that she's doing the right thing by getting this stuff to their kids? How are they convincing them that this is the right thing to do?
Yeah, by doing what Marxists do, and that is lie. Take a grain of truth and turn it into something that makes sense. For example, it makes sense that children have a First Amendment right to anything that they want to read. I mean, it just sounds right. It makes sense that parents should not tell other parents what to read in schools. Right? I shouldn't tell other parents what to read in school. All this kind of stuff makes sense. It makes sense that there's the Miller case that says you have to, you know, something has to be read "as a whole" in order to be considered obscenity. And if you're just looking at excerpts, then you're not reading them "as a whole." It all makes sense. None of that is true. It's very deceptive though, because it sounds true. None of that is true. That's how they do it.
You know, what triggered in my head when you said that was, you know, Satan in the Garden of Eden telling Eve who, you know, who are you not to know? Why should you not know these things? And did God really say that? Because he just doesn't want you to know good from evil, like he does, and all these things, and this deception, this ability to convince her that, no, this is a good thing, and he just doesn't want you to have what he has. That's what's reminding me of, what I'm reminded of when you say that, you know, telling a parent, you're right, it sounds good when you say kids should have First Amendment rights. And then you're like, why does a six-year-old have a First Amendment right? You don't have a First Amendment right. You don't even have, you have no rights in your home. You do as you're told, you're six years old, you know? Like, I want you to explore and discover yourself, but within very limited constraints. Like, I am raising you and I am teaching you, you don't have First Amendment rights. So I fully get that.
That's how it's done.
That's, yeah. What, I don't even know how to approach this question because I'm so floored by what I've heard here.
Right.
What is, what do we do? How do we combat this as? I will offer the first one, I will say, first of all, just like I do with anything else, people need to know that this exists. People need to know that this is happening. And if I'm shocked by something, I am pretty certain that most people, most people don't know that this is going on to this extent. So first is education, but then how do we actually push back against this and stop what is taking place?
Yeah, I was going to say the first is education. So there you go. The second is, the way to push back is, in my opinion, is that you need to change the library boards, right? Let's say you have a town that's conservative, but you have only ten Marxists in the town. Those ten Marxists will get on the library board and control that board. That's how this stuff happens. That's, ALA even writes about it, talks about "sneakily" pushing this kind of drag queen story hour into small, rural, red communities, for example. They talk about this. And so what really needs to happen is the boards need to come back to control of not necessarily conservative, not anything, just people who don't want to have inappropriate material pushed on children. It's as simple as that. I think there's people come from both the GOP and the Democrats when it comes to that.
So, sure.
So those are the people you need on the board. Once you get them in the majority, then you have to go into the policies and remove all the policies that the ALA created and got into these schools, not directly, but indirectly because they train the librarians who come back and write this stuff from the sample policies right into your local school policy. So suddenly, if you want to challenge a book, it's going to take a five-month process of getting together a committee and parents will have input. They tell you parents have input. Parents have zero input. This is another lie they tell you, by the way. The parents will have input and everybody makes a decision. No, that's not true. That's what the ALA makes up. The ALA from Chicago, Illinois. It's the Supreme Court of the United States, and the Board of Education v. Pico that said if the book is educationally unsuitable or pervasively vulgar, it can be removed immediately. So a superintendent can and has remove books immediately. Even librarians have removed books immediately. They just don't make it public because they know when it's inappropriate, it shouldn't be, some of them know when a book is inappropriate, it shouldn't be in there and they take it out and they move it into another library. There's no big review process or anything like that. An eight-year-old girl in an Arizona school was reading a book about squirting sperm, not making it up, and the parent brought this to the principal's attention and the principal removed it that day. And the head of the Arizona Library Association said, "you can't do that. It's a violation of her… It's a censorship, a violation of her First Amendment rights, and there's a process that you need to go through." Well, anyway, she… That's it. This is what happens.
Yep. That process and that bureaucracy is something I'm very familiar with. I'll tell you a quick story really quick, and you can weigh in on this. Very, very similar to what you're describing.
Right.
There was an individual on Fort Leavenworth who brought a book, a very filthy book that I exposed publicly, teaching kids how to masturbate and all kinds of stuff, and how to avoid being caught by their parents. And I mean, just the graphicness of this book, it was technically in the preteen section. The preteen for this library on Leavenworth was, I believe, 12 to 17, or maybe it was 12 to 15. Either way, it was right next to the children's reading section. And this person brought this book to, first of all, to the chaplain, brought it forward to the chaplain, and then the chaplain brought it to the commanding general of Leavenworth. And this happened, I want to say, two, two and a half years ago. Well, initially, they were all about getting it removed. They both readily agreed, this is disgusting, this should not be in the library.
Right.
However, what happened after that was, this individual waited, I think it was a month, month and a half or so, it was a long time, and then got a response back from the chaplain saying, there's a process to have this removed, we're not going to be involved in this anymore, we're removing ourselves from this process. And she was flabbergasted, she was like, how, what do you mean? You were so gung-ho, you were on my side about getting this removed. And the entire conversation had been shut down, all the way from this chaplain to the commanding general, a three-star general of Fort Leavenworth, because for whatever reason, we don't know what took place behind the scenes, but when this person dug into it, and there's a whole process for submitting books that should be removed, but then the person who approves this is basically a dictator in charge where they decide overall what is and what isn't. And as we dug into it a bit more, we found that it was a network of very influential people that were working with one of these organizations. I couldn't even remember the name of this point, but they dictate the reading materials for all the DODEA libraries and in school systems. And so a three-star general, though he was opposed to it, not only did not have the power to remove this book from the library, but he stopped talking about it immediately, like silenced him. He was, he was, boom, done. I, not my problem anymore, I'm not going to address this.
Right.
What is your thought on that? And that's in the military.
This is how the American Library Association operates. There are a lot of librarians who are not like this, but they stay silent and they don't do anything, because if they do, sometimes they lose their jobs. One librarian, for example, came out after eight years and finally admitted how she was bullied out of her job because they kept showing p[.]rn on the computers. And the library director said, well, if you don't like it, don't let the door hit you on the way out. So she finally just left the job and wouldn't talk about it, just like you said, until eight years later, when another issue came up of more child p[.]rn in the library, because it never goes away, it just comes back. And so then she talked about it. That's how frightened these people are of these people who run this kind of stuff. So as I was saying before, what you need to do is you need to get the right people in place, get that policy that creates these dumb policies that came from the American Library Association, get it out of there. Suddenly, then you can remove a whole pile of things. You can remove, for example, hundreds of trans books that have to do with boys that look like girls and they're breast chopped off and everything else going on. It doesn't have to be a one-off thing. It could just be get them all out of there. Why? Because they're educationally unsuitable. And that's what the Court says. You don't have to, you know, the stuff with the one-off reviews, it takes forever, nothing ever gets done. Even the librarians laugh about it. They say, oh, you know, even if they remove this book, so what? I got 10 more like this on the shelf and the publishers are pushing out 100 more every day.
Geez.
So go ahead. Let them remove it.
I mean, the coordination behind this is incredible.
It's a massive coordination. Just massive. But it's not just coordination behind this. It's like an all-on-field effort. For example, they're passing legislation to ensure that children get this stuff in schools, despite laws like obscenity. In New Jersey, there's 2C:34-3, and it's for obscenity for children under 18. And it doesn't use the Miller Test "as a whole" standard. It just says if it has this, that, or the other thing, it's inappropriate for children, and it's a crime. And the librarian, actually, a book was, the superintendent wanted it removed from the library. But the librarian went to the American Library Association, got some advice and said, you can't do that, and that started years of battles in that community to where to this day, New Jersey has passed a law that requires people to ignore the obscenity statute and ignore the Pico case, and all books will now be accepted in schools. So you got to change the policy, then you can clean out entire swaths of the libraries. And just in case you think I'm being funny by saying that, I want you to know the librarians are cleaning out entire swaths of what's in the library.
Oh I'm sure.
They call it "decolonization." Or they oppose Christian books or something like that. They have other words for it. But they're doing the same thing. It's why when you go into a library, it's like completely slanted to one side and not the other because the librarians have been "decolonizing" the library and getting rid of dead white men, as an American Library Association website put it.
You know, you saying this is actually a, is perfect for this. This podcast is Our Country Our Voice, but it's a, you know, it's under our organization, which is Our Country Our Choice. And this is what we promote all across America. And this is what we're trying to build right now. We're we're very, very small at the moment. We are trying to build that movement where people understand that change is going to happen at the grassroots level. This is not going to be a federalized process. We are not going to overtake the federal government or anything else. It involves people in their local communities being aware of what's happening on their city councils, their town boards, but in the education system. But this is this is one that I really hadn't factored. The public libraries were not on my, were not on my radar. The ALA was not on my radar.
That why they are so effective.
I had all of these other boards and councils. What's that?
That's why they're so effective.
Oh, yeah. I mean, you're, like you said, who's going to suspect a librarian? You're not even thinking about it. They checked your books out. How big of a threat could they be? But if they're all coordinated and they're all controlling what people see in the library, not just books, but websites and in any other medium
Right.
that could push this stuff to a child, then they have an enormous amount of power. And if they're able to mobilize like this, which is literally what we're trying to create as an organization, the ability for people to do the same in their communities and mobilize and talk about these like-minded things and take back their country, then the amount of power that a librarian has is incredible. You know, this is literally the army of the Marxist movement in action.
Yeah.
And I'm just, I'm floored.
By the way, some of these school librarians, speaking of an army of Marxists, some of these school librarians are calling for the murder or the killing of Donald Trump as President, of Elon Musk, of all Jews.
They're violent. They are violent people. Whether they do anything about it or not, they are actively espousing this stuff. Not just on hidden accounts, not anonymous accounts. They're doing it on their public accounts without any fear because they are this emboldened.
Right, and when I publish reports about them doing it, including showing their tweets or posts with, you know, "kill," you know, DT on it, maybe I shouldn't say his name.
Yeah, right, right.
Then they say I'm harassing him and I'm going to gather evidence to bring another lawsuit against him. This was what they did. And all the library friends join in. They don't care that he's threatening the President of the United States, or Elon Musk. They don't think, "I'm going to stay away from that guy." No. Instead, they're like, "yes, Dan is the worst. Well, I don't know what he's so obsessed about with you threatening the president. You know, aren't there more important things in his life? Does he live in his mother's basement?" You know, all that kind of stuff just keeps coming up.
Right. Of course. Of course. This is the same, the same talking points over and over and over. And the ends justify the means because this is this is warfare. Like, make no mistake about it. We are at war with this ideology and these people who want to radicalize and completely overtake our nation. And they've been very successful at it for a very long time. And I think I think over the last four or five years, a lot of people got red pilled, if you want to call it that. But woke up after the COVID stuff and started seeing a lot of these things around them and saying, we, wow, what's been going on in our country? We have to respond to this.
And since they got woke up, the librarians have realized that they've been caught. So their response is not to pull back, their response is to double down. So, for example, when the Department of Education stopped the book ban hoax, which ALA was part of, by the way, but get to that later, the American Library Association and the School Library Journal started publishing how you can double down on DEI in your school despite what the Department of Education has done. How you can sneak this stuff on children without the Department of Education knowing. How you can make sure kids are continuing to learn things that we know that nobody wants them to learn except for us, because we know what's best for these children, right? They complain that parents think that parents know what's best. It's them who think that it's the parents who know, like that one who is suing me. I have to be careful what I say, because I'm still in the middle of a lawsuit.
Sure.
But basically, I revealed something that she said on a broadcast, in which she bragged about the "not modern" parents knowing that she was putting books in front of the kids that would teach them things that she knew the parents would not want them to know, like about s[.]xual harassment, for example, or whatever it may be. And she thought she was funny talking to another school librarian about it, and they were laughing it up. Well, I heard that, and I published it, and I provided a transcript, and I got sued for doing that. So it's basically, that's so they come out and they say this stuff when they, in fact, if I could give people a piece of advice on how to investigate this stuff, it would be to just listen to all the broadcasts from these various librarians. They say things because they think nobody's listening. They say things that is like hard evidence of the agenda that's going on and how things are getting done. I've been at this for 25 years. This is halfway why I know this stuff, because I've been listening to a hundred of these broadcasts. They say this things.
Yeah. Now, what you're describing is the same thing they did in the Department of Defense where Trump came out with his executive order to get rid of DEI, critical race theory and all this subversive propaganda. What did they do? Not only did the lawyers and the JAG Corps push back against this stuff very publicly, but they started doing malicious compliance where they were only obeying by the letter of the law, but making the administration look bad.
Right.
And then they archived a lot of this stuff. So they were very open about it. They didn't delete it. They didn't remove it. They archived it. And you had a three-star admiral that came out and said, we will wait them out. And she was relieved for it. But they're very open about this.
Right.
They are, this isn't just a social idea for them that they're trying to improve society. No, they are trying to radically take over the entire establishment with Marxist ideology and therefore, ultimately, communism.
Right. I've even seen them openly saying, you know, let's fool people. I mean, I know they do this multiple times. So when a story comes out, a lot of times the librarians will fake things to make it look really bad. Like if DeSantis says you can't give DEI books to kids third grade and below, they'll empty out the shelves in the library, then take a picture of empty shelves and say, look what happened.
Bingo.
They'll have a law that wants to get passed on Internet filtering. The head of the Illinois Library Association sent out a message to all librarians using their public resources to tell them to purposely turn up all their filters to the highest setting so that nobody could get access to anything. Leave slips of paper and pens so that people could write to the governor right there. That bill that passed both houses got vetoed by the governor after he got a huge number of these kinds of things
Wow.
because they faked it. They do this kind of fake stuff all the time. They even write it publicly sometimes to play these kinds of games on people, to use your public resources. You're in a public job. You can hide things. You can make things look bad, make it harder for people to get access. Then they complain and then suddenly you're back to where you were before. It's just what they do. These are not honest people in the slightest.
No. You know what? To be honest, if I was leading any kind of combative effort to subvert the population or anything else, I would do the same thing. I wouldn't be honest because these people are my enemies. So I don't blame them for not being honest, but what I do encourage people to understand is that this is real and you are being lied to, and you need to look past what you see on the surface, the black and white, such as these emptied out shelves and, oh, this is a result of the scientists telling us that we couldn't have these reading materials. So now you don't get any reading materials and understand that this is a ploy to manipulate.
Almost every time.
Yes, it is absurd when you look into it, but it works. The propaganda works.
Yep.
The psychological operation of it works on the masses when you put this stuff out on social media. And it's, you know, they have an army that we've allowed to infiltrate over decades and decades and decades of doing this.
Yes.
And it's just really taken off in the last 10 years as far as how aggressive it's become.
Right.
But the structure and the base was already in place to allow this.
Right.
So, I have some questions that people asked last night, and I want to run these by you. So, Crystal said, ask him about the ALA policies, how the ALA policies have infiltrated school libraries to the detriment of all. I think we covered a bit of it, but outside of just public libraries and everything else, maybe there's something you could expound on with that question. I think, like I said, it's been covered, but maybe you have another thought.
It has been covered. A lot of these policies come from the American Library Association. They're trained at the meetings, and then they go back and they write them up and suggest them to their policy people, and it becomes the law. For example, a lot of people didn't like, a lot of librarians didn't like that people were filing materials reconsideration complaints, which is from the ALA, but too many of them were being filed, so they began to make new rules. They just make it up. You have to be a school parent. You couldn't even be a grandparent in the case of one school. Yet you have to be living in the community. You have to be limited to only one challenge per year. So they start putting all these restraints on your First Amendment and your state constitutional rights, because there's two constitutions involved. And they don't care. And suddenly that gets trained at the American Library Association. And suddenly it's in all the, not all the policies, but it's in the policies that have adopted this kind of stuff. This training at the American Library Association is so egregious that some kind of a training that I brought up was used in a banned books hearing. And Mike Lee spoke about it on on Capitol Hill during a "banned books" hearing. And he played this clip. And let me tell you what's in this training that librarians are getting. They're saying before this stuff becomes legislation, so they know it's going to become legislation, but they want to fool people. We need to get the people to think that these are not inappropriate books for children. And then she corrects herself. It's not s[.]xually inappropriate. She actually changes it to that. But "reframes" them as diversity and inclusion and things like that.
Yes.
This is what training librarians. This is what they're doing. This is why books like Gender Queer are not being removed from as many schools as they could be, because people have been convinced to believe that, well, first of all, as a whole, it's a good book, which has nothing to do. It's the Miller case. It doesn't apply to school libraries. And it has ideas in it that are good ideas. No, it doesn't. It's just you just took the idea that these are pervasively vulgar, and you change them into, it's diversity, she's half gay, cut off her breasts, whatever it is. That's not an excuse, but that's the American Library Association's excuse. And it's working. So, there's...
Yeah, I guess if you're a fence walker, and you don't have any kind of standard, which is something that they've tried to do for decades, is break down your moral boundaries for what you will tolerate and what you won't tolerate, then that stuff looks clean and wholesome. You know, like, oh, diversity is good. Equity is good, until you dig into what that actually means behind the framework.
Well, for librarians, okay, like, I'm Dan Kleinman, and I tweeted today or posted today on my account I call SexHarassed on X, which is named after the librarians who get harassed, and the ALA doesn't care and says it's "dubious." Anyway, this librarian told librarians today how to get rid of Christian books from their libraries and don't let Christian people come in and use their public library books for public library readings.
That's insane.
It's insane.
I mean, that's just illegal. That's full-blown illegal.
They don't care. They run the thing using your public taxpayer monies.
That's crazy.
They get away with it. That was uncovered years ago by me, the American Library Association trained people initially how to do that. The thing I wrote about today is somebody who keeps writing about it every year to tell librarians exactly what to do and even telling them to spend public money, like "go get your lawyer and make sure your policy is good on your public library meetings room." That's nice. She's telling people to expend public money to advance an American Library Association goal to keep Christians out of libraries.
All right. Um. I'm. This. This is crazy. Let me ask you this one. Greg asked, does he feel we are facing Marxism that has been implemented here since the Soviet Union days, or is this mainly pushed by China currently?
Yeah. I think it's the Soviet Union days because it was 60 years ago that they added the word "age" to the Library Bill of Rights based on their, you know, what I said before.
Yeah. And I agree with you. This has been going on way too long. This is not a CCP operation. I'm sure that they are more than willing to support it in its efforts to divide and destroy our nation internally. But this is by no means an origination.
Yeah. I don't see anything CCP connected here a lot. I see other problems, but not that.
Yeah. Fair enough. We already covered who funds the ALA, and you talked about that. Now, you said that it was like donations and these dinners and everything else, but is there any, are there taxpayer dollars that are funneling and supporting ALA directly?
Well, I'm going to guess yes, because I'm actually not a financial expert. So they are a 401c3 organization. 501c3. See, I can't even say it right. 501c3 organization. So I'm assuming they get tax benefits by claiming they are. Meantime, the president, Emily Drabinski, was just talking about how people should downvote or not rank Mario Cuomo. It sounds to me like she's violating FEC and IRS rules, but they don't care because they're librarians.
They don't care. Hey you're right, who's going to stop the librarian? Yeah, that's crazy. We talked about this earlier, and I don't know if you even know the answer to this, but the question is how do they get to dictate what goes in DOD and other libraries and effectively no one else will say it. I know how you covered this. We talked about bureaucracy, but do you actually know the method that DODEA has for selecting books?
It's the librarians.
Okay.
It's through them that this kind of stuff happens.
Okay. Fair enough. And then ...
Because nobody says, look, while I'm out flying caps over whatever, Washington, DC., I want the librarian to teach my kid in the army-based library about how to put on a dress when he is five years old, and he can get his penis cut off or wear tucking underwear. Nobody wants that. That's coming from somewhere. It's the American Library Association.
Um, yeah. Um. Lakelady asked, are there examples of public libraries that have been taken back by their communities?
Yes.
And how can people win against the radical library associations?
Gillette, Wyoming, was taken back. Why? They got the right board in place and then, the board that doesn't want to s[.]xualize children, and they threw out all the American Library Association policy and they changed it. Now, people can go in the library, everybody can go. You see, before it was just the people who didn't mind the indoctrination and the flags and the books and the whole thing that goes on with if you don't follow this, you're out. Now, everybody can go and feel welcome. People don't have to be afraid that their kid is going to read Gender Queer about rubbing off or, whatever, in the library. And that resulted in the library director refusing to follow the new policy. And the library said, look, you got to follow the new policy. This is the policy, we're the library board, we're the one who set the policy under the law. People have to look at the law that creates these libraries and don't just listen to your librarian, but look at the law. And what did that law give them the power to do? And it gives them the power to tell the library director what to do. The library director refused, they fired her.
That's what I was waiting for.
So she went out and got the American Library Association, and now she's suing that library. But they're not moving.
Good.
They're not budging. And there are other libraries that are also ending their funding for ALA, stop sending their people to ALA conferences. There are state library associations doing it. There are state library commissions that are dropping out of ALA, largely because they realize that having Marxist leaders is something you don't want to really be paying for. You know, you don't even need an MLIS. You don't need a degree even to be a librarian. I was a volunteer librarian for two years. You kind of learn it on the job from other people. It's not terribly difficult. And it's not even a profession, right? What's a profession? A lawyer, a doctor, somebody else that passes a test and they can get kicked out if they, you know. Well, that's not librarians.
I'll refrain from from any insults because I have a few off the top of my head, but that's I'm trying to be professional here, but I agree.
I'm not insulting them.
You can tell them yourself.
They're just trying to make like they're the professionals. They're the trained professionals and we should leave all the decision making to them. I've had multiple school superintendents say we can't leave the decision making to them. They got all the school like Booklist as an ALA thing. All these other groups that rate books, they only look at the ratings that come from books that say things like, "oh, this trans book about the girl chopping her boobs off is a great coming of age book. It's really wonderful. Your child needs to read it." That's the only kind of reviews that they have. The American Library Association has put together a review site that provides information on these books that just is about the awards they get, how wonderful they are, doesn't give any excerpts of what's in the books so parents could make up their own mind. That's part of the tricking that goes on.
Of course. Yeah. It's the same thing with, you know, turning on the Disney Channel, for instance. You think your kid's going to get some Mickey Mouse and instead they're getting indoctrinated. If you're not paying attention, you're using it as a babysitter. Well, they're probably hearing something if it was made in the last five years that you don't want them to hear. So yeah, same exact concept. This guy asked how to overcome and eradicate the philosophy. The communist influence has been the greatest impediment to a free and civil society in this country since the early 1900s. That's obviously a pretty big question. You want to take a stab at it, how to overcome the philosophy?
I'm an expert on libraries, not on Marxism, believe it or not.
Fair enough. Yeah, I don't think I could answer that one. With the time, we have allotted either. Okay, so this was Crystal again, and she's quoting the LibsOfTikTok post. The LibsOfTikTok post said, Garrett Jones, assistant principal for an elementary school in a lot... I'm not going to try to pronounce that. School says he thinks it's appropriate for eight-year-old kids to be reading p[.]rnography and dirty magazines in school. And Crystal said, ask him what should happen to school administrators like this. Because our district decided a promotion to middle school principal was the correct response. And then she said, I'm the mom asking the question.
Well, I think that people like that should be dismissed permanently from their jobs and not allowed to hold any jobs with children again. But that's not the way it, you know, it depends on the community. That community is all for, you know, transing kids or whatever. They don't care. They're just gonna move to someone else.
Right. That's unfortunately a free society. And if you're comfortable with people destroying your kids, that's what you're gonna allow. And that's what you're gonna tolerate. But yeah, I'm of the same mind that you should not only be able to not have anything to do with kids anymore, but you should have a team of FBI agents scouring your hard drives because I'm concerned about what just came out of your mouth. You're comfortable with eight year olds reading p[.]rnography. Let's go ahead and take a look at that computer, bud. Yeah, we need to see what's going on in the background. So, yeah.
Oh, my God. Twenty five years of fighting this stuff. My computer is going to be interesting. [laughs]
Yeah, don't don't say that. You might get a team that shows up just to just on those premises alone.
Well, namely, legal stuff.
No, I get it. Trust me, I get it. But yeah, there's it's insane. So prior prior to where I'm at now and something I'm still involved with very, very intensively, but I don't talk about it very much here is counter human trafficking, specifically, rescue of children. And I'll tell you, it's one of those things where when it comes to the kind of things you're exposed to, you really can't understand how bad it is until you experience it. And those are those are avenues where I personally, I can't I can't handle seeing that that material. There are people out there that that can, they are just wired differently and they can, you know, FBI forensic analysts that can see this stuff. I can't. So I can only imagine what you've been exposed to as far as 25 years of seeing this trash and having to fight it. It's it's got to be taxing on you mentally.
Yeah. I just thought of another way that you can get rid of this kind of stuff. You can do what like Florida is doing. Florida has just passed some kind of a law. And for example, in Escambia County, where the PEN America partner with ALA and the authors of And Tango Makes Three are suing a school teacher because she challenged books because she saw that they were inappropriate. Gosh forbid even a teacher challenge a book.
Right, right.
They're suing down in Escambia County two cases. Well, anyway, that county just decided to remove a number of books, essentially hundreds, because there's a law that says if your book gets reviewed in one school and the school decides that it's inappropriate for whatever reason, then it's inappropriate. But other schools can consider that as well and remove it as well without having to take the time to review it as well. So if one school, for example, removes Gender Queer or All Boys Aren't Blue or the whole litany of this kind of stuff, then other schools can just add that to the list and out it goes from the library. You could literally remove hundreds of books this way. And that is happening in Florida schools right now. And the Florida librarians are lying like crazy about it. And they're crying like crazy. But there is, those children are going to get protected somewhat because the librarians are always going to sneak in on them. In fact, my organization, I have another organization called World Library Association. And we uncovered that when, in fact, the teacher from Escambia County uncovered that when librarians remove this stuff, as they're supposed to do, they remove it from the records in the system that the administrators and the parents can see. But not the children. Children have differing access from the parents, and they can still see this stuff in the system.
Wow.
And they have access to electronic versions of the same things that are provided to them by these school librarians that want to make sure these kids continue to be indoctrinated. So it's like hidden from parents. They sneak this stuff on them. They sneak it on all the legislators and the parents logging into the databases. They don't see things. But the kids log in with their IDs, and suddenly you can see this stuff and the downloads for the electronic books and so on and so forth.
That's wild. I don't know how much more we can process. I think that's a pretty good place to stop. You have anything else you want to add?
You have to not be intimidated by school librarians. They like to act like they think they know what they're doing, and then they act like they do and get away with it. Don't let them get away with it. These books are inappropriate. They can be removed from schools immediately under the Pico case. The librarians tell you you can't because you can't remove them under the Miller case "as a whole" standard. But the Miller case doesn't apply to schools. Furthermore, when they make that lie that sounded great earlier that I mentioned that parents shouldn't control what other people's kids are reading, that's a lie. Parents are allowed to seek redress under the government, the state and constitution, for, you know, seek redress under the government. So they go to the government and they say, "I think this book is inappropriate." That's what the parents do. Parents don't remove those books from the library. Those bodies, those boards of education then make that decision and decide to remove it or not. It's not parents removing a damn thing. It's not a single parent short of stealing that has removed, which they should not do, that has removed a book from anywhere. But that's the lie that they tell you because it sounds pretty good. Also, I want to tell people, don't harass librarians.
Sure.
I'm not in the harassing business. I'm in the reporting business, essentially, and pointing things out. There are people who do physically sometimes harass people. I'm not one of them.
Yeah, no. This harassment is not going to stop the problem. It is going to remove individuals. It is not going to remove the problem. The problem is ideological. It is rooted in a network that you cannot possibly overcome by yourself, just harassing an individual. So I fully agree with you.
Right. If you have a school librarian pushing inappropriate stuff on your kids, it's really not her alone. It's a giant thing behind her.
Yes.
Oh, and here's another major point, since we're about to say goodbye. I have decided to try another tactic, and now I'm spreading it out now. People can try this too. And that is to look at the school ethics laws. In my state of New Jersey, the school ethics laws require that school boards consider the opinions of the local people and specifically not special interest groups. That's a law. American Library Association is about the biggest special interest group from Chicago, Illinois, you'll ever see. And it's the one that drives a lot of this policy in schools. And the school boards are following the ALA policy, like in New Jersey, where we have that law on obscenity. They're not following the state law. Instead they're following the American Library Association's anything-goes law. Well, that means that they're following outside interest groups or special interest groups.
Ya.
And I have brought an ethics complaint against those people. That complaint is still being settled. This is something that you all might want to consider doing and look into because they just can't have a school board who comes in there and says, "oh, look at this American Library Association, got these great policies. Let's force it on our kids." You can't do that. There's probably laws that prevent that. Like ethics laws. Look into it. See if you can do it that way, too.
No, that's great. Dan, how can people follow you and the work you're doing?
They can follow me on X, essentially. I'm at SexHarassed or at SafeLibraries or at WLibraryA. SexHarassed is the one that is like my personal account. So it's got the most followers and the most tweets. SafeLibraries is where I just try to retweet things relevant to things that I maybe publish or related to things, whatever.
And if folks are looking for you, you can follow those accounts from my account as well, because I've quoted and I've re-tweeted some of his posts recently.
And I appreciate you. Mainstream media does not report on parents like us, like you are going to now. Nobody hears about this stuff. There's another reason why they get away with this. Nobody wants to talk about it.
Sure.
I can get evidence from the police, from FOIA requests showing child p[.]rn arrests in libraries and things like that. And the media will not publish it. It's just...
Of course, they've corrupted the media, just like they've corrupted all the institutions. I mean, this is a framework that's been built over decades.
So I thank you. You are helping to educate the public right now.
No, I appreciate that. Dan, thanks for your input. Thanks for your insight. Hang on just a second while I close this out. But yeah, I can't thank you enough for the kind of eye-opening information you've dropped here. And I really hope a lot of people see this, because this is insane to me. So hang on just a second.
Thanks.
To close this out, I will say we have a responsibility. It's beyond just making sure that your kids are not looking at p[.]rn or not looking at things you don't want them to see anymore. There is an element in this country, a very radicalized and serious element that is trying to destroy not only your children by transing them or indoctrinating them with LGBTQ alphabet soup policies, but they are trying to overtake the institutions themselves and push communism and subversive Marxist ideology in every venue. To include the public libraries, you need to take this seriously. You need to get involved. This involves your response at the grassroots level and you, you and anybody who thinks like you coming together, taking over these institutions, taking over these boards and saying, we're not going to allow this in our communities anymore. Appreciate your time. This is Our Country Our Voice. Y'all take care.
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From Our Country Our Voice: Unmasking Marxism in Our Public Libraries, Jun 18, 2025
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Chapters
00:00 The Threat of Marxism in Education
01:00 Investigating Marxist Propaganda in Libraries
03:01 The Role of the American Library Association
05:48 Funding and Legal Tactics of the ALA
08:49 The Power Dynamics in Library Systems
11:00 The Mechanisms of Ideological Justification
16:09 Strategies for Combatting Marxist Influence
20:58 Grassroots Movements and Community Action
32:21 The Rise of Radical Ideologies
39:39 Infiltration of Libraries and Education
46:44 Community Resistance and Reclaiming Libraries
50:40 Addressing Marxism in Society
56:02 Empowering Parents and Communities
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